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adrian_turtle ([personal profile] adrian_turtle) wrote2013-02-14 02:44 pm
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no means no

The apartment seemed pretty good from the description, so we asked the realtor to show it to us. The location wasn't great, but it was ok--both of us like long walks. The size wasn't great, but it was ok--we could manage with just one couch, and I'm sure we could build shelves all the way to the ceiling. And there was nothing really drastically wrong with it. No impossibly narrow doors. No rotting floorboards. But there was nothing really right about it either. I looked around the place and hoped we could find better.

Sovay drew me aside and murmured, "It's big enough, and the layout isn't horrible, but it smells wrong to me. Not smoke, but..." All right then. Cross that one off the list. She seemed embarrassed about rejecting an apparently-good apartment for such an inexplicable reason, but there's no need to explain "smells wrong" to me. I get it. I'm usually the one waving my hands helplessly and feeling defensive because I can't explain it to other people.

We got back in the realtor's car to drive away from the apartment, and he asked what we thought of the place.
A: "It's very nice, but I think we need to keep looking."
R: "I don't think you're going to find anything bigger in your price range. Not that close to the T."
S: "The size is fine. Really. We just don't think it's quite right for us."
R: "Why don't you want it?
Ok. I guess that's part of his job as a salesman. Finding alternatives when we don't like something.

A: "Do you know how sometimes a space feels comfortable, for reasons you can't explain? This just doesn't feel comfortable to us. If you find us another apartment that size, that close to the T, we'd probably like it."
R: "Well, if you don't tell me what's wrong with it, I can't help you."
That put my back up. I hate having to defend my "no."

S: "I'm sure somebody else would love it. Really. It's a great apartment"
R: "If it's such a great apartment, why don't you want it?"
A: "It just didn't smell right to us."
R: "Smell right? That's ridiculous. We'd have it cleaned."
Of course, it's harder to defend my "no" when my arguments don't make sense to anybody. Well, not to anybody except Sovay and Mrissa.

I think that was when we lost patience with one another, and he told us we'd never find an apartment as big and cheap and close to the T as we want, and thus we will need to settle for a smaller place with no room for bookshelves. After we got out of the car, I wondered if I had said something wrong, somehow...if it might have been possible to keep him on our side with the right kind of diplomatic lie or non-response.
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[personal profile] sonia 2013-02-14 10:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Realtors are supposed to be on your side. This one wasn't. Sounds like bullying to me. Not your fault! There are better realtors out there - best wishes for finding one.

PS: I'm nowhere near your town, but I have similar conditions on housemates, including not drinking. Just so you know you and Sovay aren't the only two in the world.
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[personal profile] dichroic 2013-02-15 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
Pfeh. You are his customer. It is his job to figure out your needs, not yours to have to adapt to him. He's bullying you, and he needs to stop that right quick.
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[personal profile] dichroic 2013-02-15 04:39 am (UTC)(link)
A bit after posting the previous comment I realized that you and Sovay *do* need to carefully and consciously adapt to each other, and it sounds like you're both doing a great job.
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[personal profile] redbird 2013-02-15 01:36 pm (UTC)(link)
This isn't about your arguments not making sense, it's about someone who wasn't listening to them, because if he had listened he would have risked being convinced. You shouldn't have to defend your no, certainly not in that kind of situation, but a similar discussion with someone who was actually prepared to listen to anything other than "great, please give us an application" would have been shaped differently.

If the difficulty had been about your arguments making sense, he might have either offered to have the place cleaned, or said that "smells right" was "ridiculous," but not both.

I suspect that if you had given a more commonly understood kind of reason, like wanting more light or disliking the shape of the kitchen, that realtor would still have pooh-poohed it and claimed that you would have to settle for that.